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I have temporarily "retired" my PS90 carbine and RUGER 57 pistol given the horrific ammo prices. I have a small hoard of ammo that I want to reserve for a zombie apocalypse. (Vortex SPARC II red dot on the PS90 and HOLOSUN 509T circle/dot on the 57.) Such a pity to sideline them, :cry: INSTEAD I bou...

Wow, all old posts here. There were only 3 RUGER 57 posts until mine today.

RIP Five seveN Forum

Eric B.

I see a total of 4 posts (including mine) under RUGER 57 here. Maybe it's just so new or maybe just no love here B/C it's so FN biased. I have a PS90 with a few mods and really like it but I DO NOT like the FN Five seveN. The RUGER 57 seems to solve the problems the Five seveN presented to me like, ...

"Rapler",
Why is using FN mags a plus for this pistol?

For my RUGER 57 I got the following: 1. extra 20 round mag (may get 2 more) 2. two double mag pouches from THE VEST GUY with QR buckles and Cordura cloth W/MOLLE attachment system 3. RUGER Kydex holster that accommodates a red dot sight Soon a red dot sight. Really liking the HOLOSUN 508T X2 and RUG...

I like the extra 150 fps. velocity of my factory PS90 barrel over the SBR version (Wikipedia source for velocity loss). OTOH I like the "extra badassery" of the SBR on an already badass carbine. I guess if I consider 100 yards as my max effective range I could go with the SBR. One inch lower traject...

Welding?? Pinning?? Just spray the metal parts with a good protective oil, put it in a large PVC pipe with lots of ammo sealed in plastic bags, glue end caps on the PVC tube and bury it until the Zombie Apocalypse, meteor strike or SHTF of some other sort. I live in Nevada, not The People's Republic...

Most "Ballistic Reticles" lie!

This is B/C they are made with ONE load at ONE altitude and ONE temperature. Change any of those very much and the "ballistic reticle" lies to you.

Eric B.

Is there any 5.7 tracer ammo available? I'd like to get about 600 rounds.

Eric B.

I wish my Vortex SPARC II red dot had a circle/dot reticle. Then I'd have two aiming points, one for 5 - 15 yards and one for 50 - 100 yards. They would at least get me in the ballpark.

Eric B.

I'd buy a pistol in .22 WMR if the barrel were, say, 5 or 6 inches. Eight inches for a .22 WRM pistol barrel is a bit too long for my taste. But the price is OK.

Eric B.

"200 yards Murder1" Hee, hee Yes, you would have to be damn deliberate to get a good hit at 200 yards with a PS90, even with the 16" barrel version. And most courts would see "deliberation" as "pre-meditation". This post is interesting B/C last week I sighted in my PS90 with its new Vortex SPARC II ...

"200 yards Murder1" Hee, hee

Yes, you would have to be damn deliberate to get a good hit at 200 yards with a PS90, even with the 16" barrel version. And most courts would see "deliberation" as "pre-meditation".

Eric B.

Since the Germans just had to re-invent the high velocity sub gun ammo wheel have there been any comparisons of the P90 ammo and the H&K MP7 ammo. With a smaller bullet the MP7 round likely travels faster than the P90 round but it will retain less energy for CQB battle which is usually within 25 met...

Right! Elite is the one "smaller" fabricator of 5.7 x 28 ammo that I trust. And they seem to have about the same velocity as FN.V-Max ammo in most of their loads. I've seen Youtube tests of FN, AE, and Elite ammo on 3/16 wall square steel tubing fired thru a PS90 SBR. The FN and Elite ammo did prett...

Are there other small 5.7 x28 ammo makers that produce reliable as well as "speedy" ammo? (as in a bit faster than FN ammo) During "The Great Ammo Shortage" one custom loader has so many requests for his ammo that he quit taking orders so he could fill his months of backorders. I'll have to GOOGLE h...

Thanks for the prompt reply Buffman. I can live with a 100 FPS loss for a CQB weapon. I use FN ammo, which from testing I know is faster than Federal's American Eagle ammo. And I also know that, even with 100 FPS slower velocity, it still has much more energy at 100 yards than the tiny ammo from the...

Yep, I've noticed my American Eagle ammo shoots lower than the FN ammo. Lower = slower. 'Nuff sed!

Eric B.

Hmmmmmm... I have some Teflon bike chain dry lube. I've used it on my sliding door track and it works well. Maybe I'll try it on my PS90 action.

Eric B.

Yeah, H&K fell prey to the mostly American syndrome of "Not Invented Here" (the P90) so they invented their own sub gun that would defeat Level III soft body armor. And so they did, developing a cartridge that has less kinetic energy downrange than the 5/8x28 and a gun that is good but not as innova...

I put a Vortex SPARC II red dot on my TROS Low Mount and it comes up perfectly to my line of sight every time. I bought it from Optics Planet for $180. This scope has all three tethered caps (battery and windage & elevation) and comes with plastic scope caps and high and low mounts and a 1/4" shim f...

When I go to an SPB how much muzzle velocity will I lose with that lost 6 inches?


Q. Why are women such a bad judge of distance?
A. Because men have them convinced that this 8--------------------------------------<) is 6 inches.

Eric B.

VERY nice! SUCH baddddassery! I have a lot of the mods you do and soon an SBR barrel and FN type flash hider. My sight is a Vortex SPARC II red dot on a TROS Low Mount. Now it comes up perfectly to my line of sight every time. No need for a cheek piece. BTW, I put a Magpul rail on the right side of ...

The Vortex SPARC II ships with a low mount And high mount and a shim as well. The shim can be used with either mount. With the TROS Low Mount and the SPARC II low mount my eye comes right up to the sight line every time. No need for an aftermarket cheekpiece. MY PS90 MODS: 1. CF reinforced polymer e...

I saved a lot of money and bought the Vortex SPARC II sight. Quite rugged from all accounts I've seen.

Eric B.

Is Federal American Eagle ammo as reliable as the original FN blue box ammo?

So far the American Eagle ammo I've shot (50 rounds) has functioned well. Seems to have the same ballistics and accuracy.

Eric B.

That is total "Badassery"!

Now get a Cordura pouch to catch the empty brass and go kill zombies. (Wait, killing zombies is redundant. Go DESTROY them.)

HK went their "OWN WAY" and made an even smaller cartridge for a sub gun to compete with the PS 90. It is a "standard" format sub gun with none of the innovation of design found in the revolutionary P90/PS90. The Krauts were too proud to use the P90. "Pride goeth before a fall." But I like Danesthes...

That is so spacey looking.

For a few years I've had a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot on my PS90 knowing it was an "OK-for-the-money" red dot. I've never had any problems with it but I knew it was not very rugged. Whaddya want for $89.? Finally I got a Vortex SPARC II for it and am very happy. I've seen a Youtube video of the SPARC I...

I'd like to know if going with shortening my present barrel by TROS USA is less expensive than buying a barrel from someone.

BTW, WHO, besides CMMG, sells short PS90 barrels??

Thanks, Eric B.

OK, I need $200. and an NFA app and a L O N G wait for a short barrel for my PS90 AND the same for a suppressor for my rifle for long range competition AND for every extra suppressor I want. Perhaps, just PERHAPS, I can see the need for an NFA for a SBR but for a suppressor can??? WTF? In gun anal E...

The People's Republic of California ia partly responsible for the 9 round magazine limit these guys have.

Give them time to add mags with 20 and 30 rounds to make folks like me here in Neveda drool over their guns.

My PS 90 mods: 1. Bushnell TRS 1 X 25 mm red dot scope 2. FN case catcher 3. MAGPUL Picatinny rail right side & Preferred Pawn rail on left side 4. MAGPUL ring sling mount on left rail 5. 600 lumen flashlight in Picatinny mount holder on right rail (May transfer it to my home defense shotgun. It's b...

Rapier, Thanks for the link. It is detailed and clearly explains the process. As of now I don't want to go throughout an online photo depository like Photobucket. It's just another step that I'd rather not do so I'll post "photo less". I gotta say that this is the first forum that I've joined (cars,...

I like the Mepro 21 sight B/C as the above poster mentioned it's "always on" with the light gathering band around the top.
Plus it is Israeli mil spec rugged.

I keep 15 rounds in ONE mag and rotate among my 6 mags every month to avoid spring fatigue.

For my AUG 30 round mags I load 8 rounds in one mag and rotate among my 11 mags monthly.

I see the Sherrif's deputy with a P90 and a plate vest but NO P90 mag pouches. What gives with that?

Even a civilian like me has two double mag pouches on a load bearing vest for my PS90. (The Vest Guy made them to my order, MOLLE compatible.)

Aimpoint is excellent quality and is the original red dot sight.

I like EOTECH sights for "both eyes open" shooting. Pricey but worth it.

But I'll make-do with my Bushnell TRS 23 red dot scope. It's durable enough for now and cost less than $90.

You all forgot about moving to Mexico and joining a friendly cartel.

There you'd have enough money to buy ANY full auto gun you wanted.

I suggest buying mag pouches from "The Vest Guy". Great quality and excellent service - AND U.S. made. I ordered two double pouches in Multicam cordura with desert tan QR buckles. (I dislike Velcro flaps on mag pouches. They are not reliable.) And I had mine MOLLE compatible to attach to my Blackhaw...

I have a Magpul Gen 1 MS3 sling that is convertable from one point to two point (my preferred carry mode). Mine has lockable snap hooks to attach to the rifle's sling rings. Mine MS3 is desert tan webbing and has an adjustment loop sticking out for fast loosen or tighten. The new Gen 2 slings use a ...

I have photos of my Blackhjawk vest and two PS90 double pouches. Wish I knew how to post them. This site is not user friendly in that aspect. If i click on "IMG" in the tool bar above I get [IMG] [IMG]. What the heck is THAT? The Blackhawk vest came from a Las Vegas surplus store in unused condition...

Would it not be much simpler (and less costly) to increase the spring rate on the magazine catch?

I have a Magpul MS3 sling on my PS 90 and I like it for the versatility and fast adjustability. The one the sheriff's deputy is using looks like a simple sling that can't be configured as a two point sling and back to one point.

Got my The Vest Guy pouches and the quality is EXCELLENT! Well worth the high price.

BTW, I used a hot spike held in Vise Grips and melted a small drainage hole in the bottom of each pouch. Lets dust out too.

Hey, mask it off with tape and paint on truck bed liner paint. Automatic stippling guaranteed! Many custom rifle stocks use this method and it is very durable.

The newer model PS 90 has a rail with a peep sight beneath. The objective peep hole is way too small for fast target acquisition so I opened it up to 3/16" and painted the bare metal black and the front post white. Now it really works. Very little accuracy should be lost as the human eye automatical...

I ordered two double mag pouches from The Vest Guy. They are made to order in the USA. Mine are Crye Multicam with QR buckles and MOLLE attachment points on the back.

$59. each double mag pouch the way I configured it. Just a bit spend but good quality.

Hate to tell you this but I bought mine two months ago from a local dealer for $30. (Urban Civil Defense in Henderson, NV)

I wonder if the added velocity of a PS90 carbine (non-SBR) would make much difference in IIIA penetration.

I have a Steyr AUG. Bought it 18 years ago and NEVER had a part failure in several hundreds of rounds.

Steyr quality is second to none.

If there are multiple felons with guns 3 shots to one of them will get YOU killed by the other felon. Double tap the most threatening, double tap the next one and return your pistol to cover the first while seeking cover (or at least concealment). This is how I was taught by professionals at Front S...

Recently (Dec. 2013) I've been paying as much as $35.00 per box of Federal "AmericanEagle" 40 gr. ammo. My dealer wants 45./box of FNH ammo.

Is this in line with what others are charging?

I have a Steyr AUG with a "plastic" hammer (engineering grade polymer) and it will last more than two times as long as the metal hammer in a gov't. isued M4 or M16 by test. That's why it's not metal.

I'd use nothing but a stock FN hammer for my PS90.

I began paying $25.00 a box for FNH ammo in August.

Now I'm paying $35.00 a box for Federal Ammo B/C they want $40./ box for FNH rounds.

Will this ammo hoarding frenzy NEVER end??

Yep! The fast breakdown is very cool, very similar to my Steyr AUG.

As it happens I just demonstrated the PS90's field stripping for a friend tonight. Being a mechanical engineer he was interested in its ambidexterious design as well.

Why I love the PS90: 1. Frikkin' badassery when carried on a range 2. StarGate rangers use 'em 3. That cool magazine location 4. Frikkin badassery... :thumb: 5. Ammo is so easy to find ;o) :( 6. SBR forms are so cheap and process so fast :lmao: 7. They look like something from an AirSoft wet dream 8...

I put a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight on my PS90 and it works very well for the 25 to 100 yd. distances for which I feel the carbine is best. And for $89. I can't argue with the value. My TRS-25 is just the correct height with its standard height mount. Plus it seems rugged enough as well, seeing as...

How about renewing the forward edge of the reciever lock hole with JB WELD epoxy?

That stuff is actually more wear resistant than the the PS 90 polymer stock.

Could be a phony laser made for Simunition guns. Those guys go for looks over function.

OTOH it IS a neat location for a laser. But with my Bushnell TRS red dot sight on my PS90 I don't need a laser. The only laser I have is on my Ruger LC9.

Fantastic vids. Thanks.
I'm amazed at the power of those little .22 cal. 40 gr. pills! They must tumble upon impact.

I think I'll buy some clay and see what the wound channel looks like.

A few times this week I tried to get into Five Seven Forum and got NOTHING!

What happened? Aliens? FBI? KGB?

The other day I took my PS90 out for the first time. I went thru 100 rounds with two magazines SO fast. It's like shooting my Ruger 10/22 with 50 round bananna clips. (Only more 'spensive.) Anyway, I got my Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight zeroed and found that the PS90 is pretty accurate with FN 40 gr...

COLLECTING... I'm going to collect all the 40 gr. or heavier ammo that I can over the coming year. I'll save the brass and begin reloading. That case is so small that I'll have to be VERY carefull with powder measuring. (Even 1/2 grain over max load can be quite dangerous.) Now to "collect the bulle...

I've seen threads like this on Sniper's Hide. All I can say is that this nation's civilians are ARMED and if a civil war ever broke out it would be frikkin' bloody. I myself have seven rifles, including 3 semi autos, two lever guns and two bolt action rifles. And there's my two 9 mm semi- auto pisto...

I see my PS90 has a small storage compartment in the butt. So far I've only stored the Allen wrench for my Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight in there but I think I'll put a cleaning kit in too. Who has done this and what did your use? Obviously a tiny plastic dropper bottle of barrel cleaning fluid, bar...

So the REM 3 has a "ring" reticle? That's fine with me because my Steyr AUG has a built in Swarovski 1.5 X sight with a ring reticle with which I'm very familiar. Just one more reason to get the REM and try it. I mounted the TRS-25 red dot sight today and its height is perfect as-is. (I did not get ...

I have owned a Steyr AUG bullpup for 18 years and still think it is the most innovative assault-style semi auto made. BUT the FN 2000 is, IMHO, the equal of the AUG in many ways, ergonomically and quality wise. All they need is a flip-down forearm handgrip to make it better. Thank GOD the FN 2000 ch...

Cyberfly,

At $89. I think I'll get that REM3 sight and decide which of the two goes on my Benelli M1 shotgun and which on the PS90.

Ditch,

All 5 of my new mags are FN mags. Actually $28. each (at Urban Civil Defense in Henderson just off Gibson by the RR tracks). Same place I got the PS90.

But, alas, no ammo at all and none for at least several weeks.

The Bushnell TRS 32 and the Vortex StrikeFire red dot scopes seem about equal in features and price. Nice scopes for the PS90. Bushnell has risen greatly in quality in the past 5 years. I have and outstanding Bushnell ERS 3.5 -21 X50 tactical scope with Zero Lock that I'd put up against any Vortex s...

OK, I didn't know that fine point of the BATF regs. <profanity> regs., they have the same force as legislated law B/C they are promulgated under the enabling law. So we (my wife & I) do have a family trust. Does that mean if the trust name is engraved on the barrel then my two attorney daughters can...

Blue, I'd get a Burris FastFire III BUT on careful examination it has the same weakness that my el cheapo TruGlo similar sight has. Namely dirt, snow, or water can fill up the area between the projector lens and the viewing lens, rendering the sight ineffective. Don't ask me how I know but there are...

Just got a Bushnell ERS 3.5 - 21 X 50mm tactical scope. >Front Focal Plane >Horus H59 tactical mil reticle >1/10 mil turret adjustments >Zero Lock (zero stop) >34 mm main tube >Rainguard on exterior lenses (virtually no exterior fogging) >very good glass (Not ED glass but close) It goes on an HS Pre...

I didn't realize the dot size was adjustable on the Bushnell TRS-25 red dot. Thanks

My God the Aimpoint Micro is 'SPENSIVE! I can buy 6 or 7 TRS-25s for that price. What is so damn great that they are worth that much. They are really "proud" of that sight.

Kredal, what's this thing about engraving the upper reciever?

Why would I want it engraved? What do I have engraved on it, my name? Favorite Founding Fathers quote?

WHEW!

I just bought my PS90 last week and then 4 more mags. Luckily I chose to buy the FNH mags and not the AR57 mags lying on the shelf next to them.

Sometimes a blind squirrel does get a few acorns.

Just ordered a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight for my PS90.

1. It's CHEAP at $79.99 on sale.
2. It has good reviews for ruggedness and holding zero.
3. The TRS mounts lower than an EOTEC sight (my 1st choice, natch)


So, whaddya think? OK for a first optic?

Got mine three days ago for $1,300. here in 'Vegas. and three mags for $28. each.
Now I'm going to submit a Form 1 and pray for a 6 month turnaround.

The guy is very reasonable. I bought my new Ruger LC-9 there with a LaserMax for $400.

Enlighten me as to the PERFORMANCE differences in gen 2 and gen 3/4 trigger packs. And do I want a Delta trigger? If so Why?

Bureaucracy! What BS. Another Gov't. hoop to jump through - s l o w l y.

Enlighten me on the amount of time and other BS I need to do to get a Form 1 clearance.

I'd like TORS to convert my long barrel to an SBR. I think I need to remove the barrel before I send it to TORS (with a BATF approved form) if I want to keep my cost to $188 + shippiong. Nes pas?

Fookin' THANK YOU! Just got my PS90 and four 50 rnd. mags. Waiting for Federal ammo to come in. So now I'm using the time to familarize myself with the weapon. Next is an SBR & Form 1 and later a better sight than my True-Glo red/green dot sight. (Does FNH REALLY expect that iron sight to be useble??)

I have the "original" Steyer AUG imported by Interarms. I got it in the early '90s for $650. with 5 magazines. I now have ten 30 round mags and one 43 round mag, a blank firing adaptor and a bayonet lug. As soon as Hillary announces her presidential candidacy the firearms prices will skyrocket again...