slugs

[fzr confused]

I just bought a saiga 12 the other day and was wondering what size slug I should use. I like 3" 00 for my reg shotgun for the extra pellets and I will use those in the saiga as well. but if I was to use a slug, would a 2 3/4" have more velocity/accuracy than a 3"? I would say maybe bc its a bit lighter so velocity maybe higher but idk if they use more powder for the 3"....what would you use?

[Cyberfly]

When it comes to shotguns and slugs, I'm from the old school where the bigger the better.
But thats just me.

[Wollychop]

I like the hornady SSTs

http://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=shop/ ... 5d6bc0ec9e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[stg2ahn]

too many different types of ammo.
What specific load are you looking for?
genereally a 1oz. slug is about 438 grains of lead. Some 3in. slugs are slower than 2 3/4 in. slugs.
Some of winchesters new slugs are spitzer shaped and are lighter in grainage, to provide some really awesome velocity and ballistics.
http://winchester.com/products/catalog/ ... =16&use=24" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I personally shoot what is commonly out there. Brennek slugs, wolf slugs, and federal 1oz. slugs.
Since the saiga is a smoothbore with no chokes on it, I would just stick with what is cost effective and readily available.
my .02.

[fzr confused]

I will more than likely only keep 3" 00 in it, but would like to shoot slugs at the range. I'll prob just get whatever is cheap.

[stg2ahn]

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product ... s_id=91133" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

here's a 600+ grain slug by brenneke. 1 3/8 oz. slug.

Gauge :12 GA
Type :Lead
Length :3 in.
Ounces :1 3/8 oz
Shot Size :Slug
Muzzle Velocity :1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 3014 ft/lb

a .73 caliber slug flying 1500fps with 600 grains behind it, wow. :thumb:

[fzr confused]

that looks like it will add up to an insane amount of fun!!!!! well for the person pulling the trigger at least! lol

[Rattler]

If you have a Sabot gun (Rifled barrel) I would recommend the Platinum tip Winchester 400 grain Sabot. They are plenty accurate and the slug used is just a big "Black Talon". It'll do the job. If you have a smoothbore then I would recommend the federal reduced recoil slugs. With a Saiga's semi atuo action and the reduced recoil (which only sacrifices a couple hundred FPS) follow up shots should be failry quick and easy.

[stg2ahn]

I like sellior & bellot (s&b)
there ammo is a usually cheap and..
the 12ga 2 3/4 buck shot hold 12-00 buck
the 12ga 3in. buck shot holds 15-00 buck.

Most standard 00buck loads only hold 9 pellets.

[Grantness]

I like these: http://www.remington.com/pdfs/08cat/2008_ammo.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; *The accutips at the top*

Get the 3". The 2 3/4" and the 3" are 385 grains...the 3" just goes a little bit faster.

I also have an extended rifled choke tube designed for sabot rounds. You might want to check those out. They arent cheap, but its cheaper than getting a rifled barrel.

[fzr confused]

If you have a Sabot gun (Rifled barrel) I would recommend the Platinum tip Winchester 400 grain Sabot. They are plenty accurate and the slug used is just a big "Black Talon". It'll do the job. If you have a smoothbore then I would recommend the federal reduced recoil slugs. With a Saiga's semi atuo action and the reduced recoil (which only sacrifices a couple hundred FPS) follow up shots should be failry quick and easy.

the problem i have read about the reduced recoil rounds is it may not cycle as good...but i am sure that it is only a problem with like birdshot and stuff like that, and not buck or slugs...anyone know?

[fzr confused]

so with a smooth bore i can not shoot the sabot rounds? i dont know much about slugs as i only shoot buckshot with my current 12g...so, for a smooth bored shotgun, i want a rifled slug???? am i reading that remington thing right?

[Grantness]

you can shoot the sabots just fine with a smooth bore, the rifled sabot chokes/barrels just make them more accurate, and if they are extended chokes, prob a wee bit faster.

[stg2ahn]

Many slugs are "rifled" to promote spin once it leaves the barrel. Some even have a fin attached to promote a consistent flight.

Utimately though, you can't can't beat a rifled slug with sabots (accuracywise).
Mossberg makes the best rifled slug guns IMHO.

I must also say that slugs aren't as powerful as you might think. The ft lbs of energy is generally on par with a .308 centerfire round at the muzzle, but loses a lot of "steam." So if your shooting 50 to 100+ yards your probably better off with a centerfire rifle.
Most slugs use soft lead, but the Brenneke K.O. are pretty rock solid. :ponder:

[fzr confused]

i got a G3 in .308 this is another shotgun for home defense. i have a mossberg 500 right now with a surefire, but there is just something about a semi auto "high" cap shotgun :clap: ...that accutip up there states it has kill power to 200 yards??? ive never heard of a shotgun reaching out that far with deer kill potential lol. i might take the saiga deer hunting, but more than likely it is just a HD and range gun. that or the gun you hand to the person that doesnt know what it is and they think it only has the kick of an ak

[stg2ahn]

the grainage is lighter on the accutip, it relies on the rifling of the shotgun, it is a spitzer shape (aerodynamic), and the diameter of also less than the standard 12ga because of the sabot.
All those factors seem to really push the envelope.

Reminds me of the 30-30 LeveRevolution rounds by hornady.
Even the modern muzzleloaders have reached up to that range nowadays.

:ponder:

[Grantness]

in many states there are limits to the capacity of your shotgun when u are out hunting. Typically 3 rounds (thats why some shotguns have plugs).

[fzr confused]

it is 5rds here in florida IIRC and i have a 5rd mag for it. i also have the plug for my 500.

[Grantness]

you live in indian river? where?

[fzr confused]

sorry, by IIRC i meant if i recall correctly, i never hunt with a shotgun, so i really only pay attention to the rifle rules. i live just south of indian river, i live in gardens and in tequesta with my gf.

[Grantness]

oh ok, cool. I was just interested bc I went to high school in Vero Beach.

[fzr confused]

my gf was raised up near vero (ft pierce)....area is small so you may know each other....well, depending on age, she is 30 now. and i go to sebastian for the gun range.

[Grantness]

you mean the one off SR 60 near I95? That place is awesome. I used to go there every weekend when I lived down there. Good 5 stand and sporting clays if you're into shotguns...

[fzr confused]

yup, that's the one! I like that place besides them usually being asses when you want to use the 200 lanes. I guess they see some "younger" kids wanting to do stuff and they think we have no skill....who knows. but besides that, I like it a lot

[SSBiggun]

I just bought a saiga 12 the other day and was wondering what size slug I should use. I like 3" 00 for my reg shotgun for the extra pellets and I will use those in the saiga as well. but if I was to use a slug, would a 2 3/4" have more velocity/accuracy than a 3"? I would say maybe bc its a bit lighter so velocity maybe higher but idk if they use more powder for the 3"....what would you use?

I use the Fed tactical and Rem 1500 fps in my Saiga .I found that the reduced recoil slugs arent as reliable. I also have 50 rds of the original BRI sabots but they are too long to use in the MDA drum although the work fine in the AGP 10 rd mags and the factory 5's . I've also had VERY good results with the Wolf slugs and buckshot.

[stg2ahn]

reduced recoil loads + semi auto shotguns= No bueno.

Pump guns don't matter.

[Rattler]

"the problem i have read about the reduced recoil rounds is it may not cycle as good...but i am sure that it is only a problem with like birdshot and stuff like that, and not buck or slugs...anyone know?"


I dont have a Saiga to play with but I would think that if there is enough energy to propel the weight of a slug down the barrel then there should be enough to cycle it just fine. Before I bet my life on it I would test it out though.

[556Stealth]

I would recommend you try Winchester Power Point slugs as well as Remington "Sluggers". These are cheap and readily available. They are also slightly "different" diameters. Don't freak, it is just a few thousandths, my point is, some shotguns have a tighter bore than others depending on the company and they will have a preference for either the Remington or the Winchester.

My S90M4 would group 3" Remington 1oz Sluggers so tight at 50 yards that I was literally cutting the target in half when I was sighting in walking to the bulls-eye. I would not feel like I were exaggerating if I claimed it was capable of 1.5-2" CTC groups at 50 yards.

All this said, but the 2.75" slugs. The 3" slugs give you 50-100fps more and kick the crap out of you in comparison. NOT! worth it AT ALL! The only reason I was using 3" that day is it was deer season and all the 2.75" was gone. I will say though, EVERYONE on the line was in awe of the evil-looking M4 that I had the balls to shoot seated off sand-bags that launched fire and kicked like hell. The rangemaster even walked over and asked what kind of weapon it was.

ETA: On low-recoil loads, my M4 would fire Win-Lite buckshot just fine. It barely kicked at all. A LOT tamer than 1-1/4oz birdshot at 1200fps. I was shocked that it cycled and surely wouldn't use it for SHTF, but still. The shells barely made it to my feet and I had to hold it tight if I didn't want an FTE.

[556Stealth]

I like the hornady SSTs

http://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=shop/ ... 5d6bc0ec9e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In a smooth-bore this would be a no-no. This is a sabot type slug and must be spin-stabalized.

[556Stealth]

Many slugs are "rifled" to promote spin once it leaves the barrel. Some even have a fin attached to promote a consistent flight.

Utimately though, you can't can't beat a rifled slug with sabots (accuracywise).
Mossberg makes the best rifled slug guns IMHO.

I must also say that slugs aren't as powerful as you might think. The ft lbs of energy is generally on par with a .308 centerfire round at the muzzle, but loses a lot of "steam." So if your shooting 50 to 100+ yards your probably better off with a centerfire rifle.
Most slugs use soft lead, but the Brenneke K.O. are pretty rock solid. :ponder:

This is a common mis-conception. The "fins" on a slug do not cause near enough rotation to stabalize the slug in flight. Rather, the slug is weighted like a "shuttlecock" and this keeps it nose-foreward.

So why have fins?

Okay, the fins are there for Farmer John who huts geese as well as deer with his old fixed-choke 870 with a Full Choke. Also, those "fins" are not really fins. They are valleys. Look at it in reverse. The lead flows into those valleys when the slug hits that tight choke. Slugs are VERY soft and so this occurs well before Farmer John's choke/barrel explodes and looks like a metal sun-flower. The Valleys just profide relief spaces for the lead to flow into in the event a full-choke is encountered. Any rotation caused is secondary and not necessary.