How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

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How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by p99guy » 04 Nov 2008, 07:10

Setting aside the socialist policy issues, and "spreading the money around" that you work for, everyone should be very clear about where Barack Obama stands on guns.

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FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate "assault weapons," but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. ( ... vote=00219" onclick=";return false;)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 2008. (" onclick=";return false;)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. ( ... vote=00217" onclick=";return false;)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog," onclick=";return false;, 2/15/08. ( ... on-se.html" onclick=";return false;)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. ( ... amas_c.php" onclick=";return false;)

7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. ( ... 60181.html" onclick=";return false;)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (" onclick=";return false;)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. ( ... wards.html" onclick=";return false;)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008, ( ... shoot.html" onclick=";return false;)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." ( ... nforcement" onclick=";return false;.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes ( ... ontrol.htm" onclick=";return false; and" onclick=";return false;) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to:" onclick=";return false;.

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Re: How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by jmz5 » 04 Nov 2008, 14:05

$75 for a box of white box doesn't sound very appealing to me.

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Re: How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by EARS » 04 Nov 2008, 14:07

The list of facts makes me sick. I pray I'm not as sick tomorrow.

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Re: How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by User42 » 04 Nov 2008, 18:35

Didn't even read the entire list, but this one is pretty funny.

"FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9"

Because you know every criminal buys their guns in a legal gun store, then walks a few miles to the nearest park to start shooting school children. Or that gun stores are so easy to rob by unarmed schoolchildren. Or guns are evil and when they decided to grow horns and legs and start shooting everyone, they won't be able to walk 5 miles before they get tired and give up. :ponder:

Seriously how could anyone think that is anything but an attempt to ban gun stores? They might as well make sure there isn't any loophole spots people can move their stores too and just ban gun stores within 1,000 miles of the US border.

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Post by Wollychop » 04 Nov 2008, 18:38


Well, it's the same with most of the things on the list, like microstamping. They are ways to pass defacto bans of firearms, ammunition, and the transfer of both without actually using the word "ban".

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Re: How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by Sven » 05 Nov 2008, 19:30

Great work on the listing, p99guy.

Barack wants to KILL your right to own firearms.

Can someone please tell me how the hell this f*cker got elected???

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Re: How does 75.00 for a box of 50 Win white box 9mm strike you?

Post by f3rr37 » 05 Nov 2008, 19:33

Ignorance got him elected.

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Post by ChuckD » 05 Nov 2008, 21:15

I like to think of it as the bandwagon affect.
The US doesn't like bush, and bush is republican, so therefore, all republicans are bush.
Since Obama is not a republican he won't be bush. and since he had a lot of media coverage and all that <profanity> people jumped on his bandwagon.
Kinda like when the yanks won the world series and basically all major sports teams, they do good one yr, they have an increase in fans immediately afterwards.
Bandwagons got Obama elected

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