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Great Loss of Value

Post by Sven » 20 Aug 2008, 13:03

Past threads represented a wealth of knowlege on this (or, more accurately, the former FiveseveN) site and those threads made the former site extremely valuable for those looking for information and advice about the FiveseveN. Having lost all past posts greatly diminishes the value of this site. I won't say this site is completely and utterly worthless now (at least it's a common place for FiveseveN owners to "meet" and discuss new issues), but I will definitely look elsewhere for FiveseveN information.

Doesn't Kronos Management do backups?!?!?!

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Post by f3rr37 » 20 Aug 2008, 13:21

Please bear with us as we try to get the old data back. Google has a cache of the old website if you need data immediately, we will try and restore as much as possible.

To search for information on the old forum go to google and in the search field type:

Code: Select all

site:fivesevenforum.net SEARCHTERMS
Replace SEARCHTERMS with what you want to search for. When the results are displayed there will be a link under each result that says 'Cached', click it to view the cached page.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Sven » 20 Aug 2008, 13:22

Thanks, Fuzzy! That's reassuring.

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Post by tdevince » 20 Aug 2008, 13:23

Fuzzy,

So all is not lost?

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Post by DAUG » 20 Aug 2008, 13:34

Sven wrote:Past threads represented a wealth of knowlege on this (or, more accurately, the former FiveseveN) site and those threads made the former site extremely valuable for those looking for information and advice about the FiveseveN. Having lost all past posts greatly diminishes the value of this site. I won't say this site is completely and utterly worthless now (at least it's a common place for FiveseveN owners to "meet" and discuss new issues), but I will definitely look elsewhere for FiveseveN information.

Doesn't Kronos Management do backups?!?!?!
I have to agree with this sentiment, since I learned more about the technical merits of my favorite FN systems, its ammunition, accessories, tactics, and the regulations that affect our ownership rights here than anywhere else on the net. I won't be abandoning this site completely, since it's still one of my favorites . . . I'll just be making some adjustments.

Also hate to find out the hard way that this site was not backing up! Man, that's fundamental . . . or is that by design? Regardless, time to grab your bootstrap and if there's anything I can do to help, just let me know!

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 20 Aug 2008, 13:36

tdevince wrote:Fuzzy,

So all is not lost?
At this point in time all I have access to is the google caches of the site, we'll try and get as much of the essential info from the google caches and bring it to here. I imagine much of it will turn into a FAQ, wiki style maybe :).

As for backups... I can't say much, we might be able to get the old site back, but no promises at this point, we can only hope.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by tdevince » 20 Aug 2008, 13:40

f3rr37 wrote:
At this point in time all I have access to is the google caches of the site, we'll try and get as much of the essential info from the google caches and bring it to here. I imagine much of it will turn into a FAQ, wiki style maybe :).
That is great news. There was a wealth of history in the old forum. Returning that here is fantastic. Thanks for your efforts!

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by DAUG » 20 Aug 2008, 13:47

Fuzz,

Just tried the Google search feature and since it's tied to the lost forum server, it comes up with the "forbidden page" prompt . . . so it doesn't seem to work just yet.

Will wait and try again later this evening. Maybe that's how I can help by being a tester. Let me know?!?

Good luck, man!

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 20 Aug 2008, 13:53

DAUG wrote:Fuzz,

Just tried the Google search feature and since it's tied to the lost forum server, it comes up with the "forbidden page" prompt . . . so it doesn't seem to work just yet.

Will wait and try again later this evening. Maybe that's how I can help by being a tester. Let me know?!?

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by romer522 » 20 Aug 2008, 14:27

One thing to remember, the instant information is lost but all the knowledge/experience is still here. People will be very willing to answer questions again.

I would still take a Q&A with the members of this forum over the useless crap out there on the web.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 20 Aug 2008, 14:29

romer522 wrote:One thing to remember, the instant information is lost but all the knowledge/experience is still here. People will be very willing to answer questions again.

I would still take a Q&A with the members of this forum over the useless crap out there on the web.
I feel the same way. The hard copy of the information maybe lost, but feel free to ask questions... we can't really pull the "use the search feature" card right now :lol:

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Post by Cyberfly » 20 Aug 2008, 14:35

Excellent tips and I didn't realize those threads were still cached. It might be worth some late night work to transfer some stuff.
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Post by jmz5 » 20 Aug 2008, 14:41

While I am saddened by the loss of all the data,the members are what made the forum great.
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Post by Cyberfly » 20 Aug 2008, 15:01

I would have to agree.
Although we might not always saw eye to eye on everything, it was more of a family type atmosphere and the info we had here was gathered from a group effort of the great minds that collected here. It can be rebuilt. It can be made even better than what it was before.
It's just going to take time.
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by BIGCAP » 20 Aug 2008, 15:58

And hey look at it this way we are all starting out at 0 on posts. No one can complain someone got a head start and they can never catch the other persons post count. :lol:

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Post by panzermk2wife » 20 Aug 2008, 15:59

Cyberfly wrote:I would have to agree.
Although we might not always saw eye to eye on everything, it was more of a family type atmosphere and the info we had here was gathered from a group effort of the great minds that collected here. It can be rebuilt. It can be made even better than what it was before.
It's just going to take time.
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Cyberfly » 20 Aug 2008, 16:00

BULL!!
Fuzzy had access a full DAY before I did!
I call CHEATING! :shock: ;)
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Re: Great Loss of Value

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Cyberfly wrote:BULL!!
Fuzzy had access a full DAY before I did!
I call CHEATING! :shock: ;)
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Post by jmz5 » 20 Aug 2008, 16:11

Fuzzy has 70 posts already, looks like I won't be the post whore anymore. :monkey:
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Post by panzermk2 » 20 Aug 2008, 18:27

If all the old info was just cut and pasted no one would be able to jackup their counts by reposting it.

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Post by Grantness » 20 Aug 2008, 18:42

yea...there isnt a whole lot out there. Ive been researching reloading on the internet since our forum went down, and there is hardly anything of value. Most of the time I was just getting links to the fivesevenforum off of google or from the other forums themselves! *i also learned something new during all of this bedlam. I had no idea our forum's name was forbidden to be spoken on certain forums! How hillarious is that? They must be really insecure (and/or jealous)...

The other thing I learned while browsing other forums was that the people over here are of a much higher caliber. There are no asshats on our forum. For the most part, the people on this forum are very knowledgable, friendly, curtious, and have a good sense of humor...traits u seldom see elsewhere.

I guess you dont really notice these things until they are gone.

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Grantness wrote:yea...there isnt a whole lot out there. Ive been researching reloading on the internet since our forum went down, and there is hardly anything of value. Most of the time I was just getting links to the fivesevenforum off of google or from the other forums themselves! *i also learned something new during all of this bedlam. I had no idea our forum's name was forbidden to be spoken on certain forums! How hillarious is that? They must be really insecure (and/or jealous)...

The other thing I learned while browsing other forums was that the people over here are of a much higher caliber. There are no asshats on our forum. For the most part, the people on this forum are very knowledgable, friendly, curtious, and have a good sense of humor...traits u seldom see elsewhere.

I guess you dont really notice these things until they are gone.
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Post by karbuv » 20 Aug 2008, 19:12

This forum will return to shine brighter because it is made up of great people, with patience and perseverance. In fact, I bet it will be better than before, organized, intuitive, thoughtful, humorous, polite and fair. :monkey:
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Post by Gramaton Cleric » 20 Aug 2008, 19:30

As long as there is a search feature this site will be found as I did the first time I wanted info on the 5.7! the cool thing is, that
most of the pepole with the most knowledge will be here it will just take a little time! (excuse the spelling) :oops:
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Post by Esteves » 20 Aug 2008, 20:07

romer522 wrote:One thing to remember, the instant information is lost but all the knowledge/experience is still here. People will be very willing to answer questions again.

I would still take a Q&A with the members of this forum over the useless crap out there on the web.
Agreed.

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Post by romer522 » 20 Aug 2008, 22:43

Gramaton Cleric wrote:As long as there is a search feature this site will be found as I did the first time I wanted info on the 5.7! the cool thing is, that
most of the pepole with the most knowledge will be here it will just take a little time! (excuse the spelling) :oops:

Is there a way to have google fix their results? Even before all this when you search for fivesevenforum, the .com came up top, and when searching fivesevenforum.net you get crap about "fives even forum" lol.


Soon we will be confused with Heinz :monkey:


O and :drool: at getting the :monkey: back.

Speaking of people that need to get caught back up with post whoring, wheres Slippy?

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Post by jmz5 » 21 Aug 2008, 04:27

Slippy is out of the country for two weeks.
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Yeah, we waited til he left to burn down the old house, move into a new one and left no forwarding address.
Whatcha wanna bet he finds his way here anyway? :wall:
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Slippy will find his way. :agree:
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Post by Sven » 21 Aug 2008, 08:21

Grantness wrote:The other thing I learned while browsing other forums was that the people over here are of a much higher caliber. There are no a$$hats on our forum. For the most part, the people on this forum are very knowledgable, friendly, curtious, and have a good sense of humor...traits u seldom see elsewhere.
Yeah, I agree with this. This is a very friendly site. A lot of mutual respect going on here. When people disagree, people (almost always) disagree in a civil manner. Looking at ideas from opposing view points (in a civil manner) is extremely useful because it's the best way to get at the heart of a matter.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by gotants » 21 Aug 2008, 13:47

I`m baaackkkk!!!

What the FLICK happened?
loss of fivesevenforum.net = :wall:

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 21 Aug 2008, 13:54

Bad things happened.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by smokinjoe » 21 Aug 2008, 14:33

Cyberfly wrote:It can be rebuilt. It can be made even better than what it was before.
Sounds like the beginning of the six million dollar forum :ponder:

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Post by Sven » 21 Aug 2008, 15:34

I was just thinking about the long thread re Fuzzy's KB that I spend about two hours reading one night. It was an incredibly valuable thread. Those are the kinds of threads that appear to be lost forever. I'm sure there are hundreds of threads like that and, unless someone takes the time to recreate (at least the essence of) those threads, that information will likely be gone. The problem is that no one person could adequately recreate even one of those threads...there was so much back-n-forth and discussion of multiple viewpoints that it would darn near impossible to synthesize the information from one of those threads in such a way as to fully reflect the knowledge.

It's a shame. :?:

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I can pull the first post from the google cache, but everyone beyond that, not sure if we'll ever get it back.

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Having lost all past posts greatly diminishes the value of this site. I won't say this site is completely and utterly worthless now (at least it's a common place for FiveseveN owners to "meet" and discuss new issues), but I will definitely look elsewhere for FiveseveN information.
Im going to have to say that we have made great progress in the couple days we have been back. I would be willing to bet that this forum currently contains as much or more information on all aspects of the 5.7x28 round and systems than any other forum. If you were to spend your time elsewhere, I doubt u would learn much u couldnt get here (and if you did you would have to spend a lot of time searching through threads....whereas here we have neatly organized/reconstructed the most pertinent information into easy to find threads.)

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Post by skoltuniak » 22 Aug 2008, 11:34

Can this help at all? http://www.archive.org

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Post by f3rr37 » 22 Aug 2008, 11:38

skoltuniak wrote:Can this help at all? http://www.archive.org
Only somewhat, the last archive they have is from Feb 06, 2008. A LOT of new information has been posted since then. But this definitely help bringing back older discussions.

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Post by Wollychop » 22 Aug 2008, 18:41

My sense on loss of value...

I purchased a five seven and a ps90 at a gunshow about a month after I got home from a deployment. I had nothing but money burning a hole in my pocket and had NO IDEA what I had actually purchased (I know, I know...). All I knew was that they looked cool, I didn't have anything like them, and I wanted them.

I got home and one of the first places I found was the old forum. I learned more about what I had just bought in ten minutes than I could have by looking at the FN website all day. I registered, posted, and within about ten minutes got blasted for not using the search function properly.

But it didn't matter, because there were enough people who were there who took time to ANSWER me and were very helpful. This is the first and only forum in which I have participated for that very reason. And even though the extensive history of posts isn't here at the moment, I have no doubt that if I were in that same position and asked the same questions, they would be answered by friendly fellow firearms enthusiasts quickly.

There is no loss of value. The members are here. I have absolutely NO DOUBT that within months this forum will have a searchable knowledge base based upon new posts that will easily eclipse any other FN product oriented forum. And before that happens, anyone will be able to inquire and their questions will be answered. In a way, it may be a blessing in disguise -- all of the countless threads consisting of "use the search function, jackass" and flames from certain banned members won't be here.

For those reasons I will continue to be a paid member. My hat's off to the admins for keeping this thing rolling.

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Wolly-
That's exactly why the decision was made to go straight in to a brand new forum rather than try to raise the old one from the ashes.
And most of the thanks goes to Fuzzy for his tireless efforts in getting this new home built for us. And to Justin for doing what needed to be done...I dunno if either of them slept until the doors were opened.
It may be new, but with the core members here, and new ones joining daily, and old ones straggling in with them, the new forum will overshadow the old one and before we know it, the old vBulletin forum will be a distant memory.
But just as before, it's the members that really make it what it is. A home.

Okay...enough of the mushy stuff. Back to work. :guns:
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Yep, Jake did all the work, I watched. :laugh:
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Horse manure.
I saw all the posts, Fuzzy, can you do this? Sure. Justin, can you do this? Gotcha. Can you do this? Back and forth.
I felt like i was a spectator at a tennis match.
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Post by WARWOLF » 22 Aug 2008, 21:26

I agree, I like some are old time members going back 4-5 years. I was really into it when I first started years ago and seen a bunch of little changes as the years went on, then my log ons were less frequent as a wealth of information and clutter surfaced, I actually got tired of hearing "That was already discussed about, do a search on it", but now having a clean slate with updated and correct information will be even better, and most people would be more willing to answer your questions if you have any. I've already noticed myself being more involved than I have been in years. It's like Christmas and I have a new toy :clap:

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Post by stg2ahn » 04 Sep 2008, 13:30

Hey it's me stg2ahn!!!
I was on haitus because of my move. I thought the forum was gone.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I am glad that everyone is back and things are getting back inorder.

I don't understand why the prior owner would give everyone such a hard time.
But that isn't my business. No point in complaining about the lost info, what's done is done.

No doubt we can rebuilt this forum and I am grateful that the new owner(s) see potential in this forum.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2008, 14:31

Guys, you keep participating, keep asking questions, and you will see soon enough that everything that was lost will be back.
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flyingirish04 wrote:Guys, you keep participating, keep asking questions, and you will see soon enough that everything that was lost will be back.
Exactly. And if you want a ported suppressor, we can tell you where to go.
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:lmao: nice.

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Welcome back bro!! Its good to see more and more familiar faces showing up!
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Post by eagleshotz » 02 Dec 2008, 18:43

I don't understand why the prior owner would give everyone such a hard time.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by stg2ahn » 02 Dec 2008, 19:30

At least most of the old folks are back and the database is growing each day.
I haven't had many questions that haven't been answered on this forum.

I learned to live with the loss. IT really sucks...

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Grantness » 02 Dec 2008, 19:33

meh... :?:
Its hardly noticable now. In fact, the info is a lot more organized and easier to find.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by panzermk2 » 02 Dec 2008, 19:54

Grantness wrote:meh... :?:
Its hardly noticable now. In fact, the info is a lot more organized and easier to find.

Totally agree.
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 02 Dec 2008, 21:40

Don't consider it a loss, consider it a fresh start.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by jmz5 » 03 Dec 2008, 05:04

+1.
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Grit » 03 Dec 2008, 06:55

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fivesevenforum.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's some more from 2007.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Jack O Sol » 03 Dec 2008, 09:07

Hi, Just registered today. perhaps someone would care to enlighten me what happend to the old forum? Hopefully it wasnt a blowout of sorts.

either way I look forward to learning what I can here you all seem like a great group of folks!!

Jack

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Dec 2008, 09:09

Long story short, everything went *POOF* and disappeared.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by stg2ahn » 03 Dec 2008, 09:40

:lmao: :laugh: :lmao: :laugh:

One hell of a clif note there ferret.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Dec 2008, 09:44

Well, its true.

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by MrSlippyFist » 03 Dec 2008, 09:46

Go to the cage for an x-rated clif note, narrated by Jenna Jameson and MrSlippyFist.

But seriously, having a fresh slate is not a bad thing. In a few short months we've got almost 700 members. All relevant information that was requested or mentioned is still readily available.
Embrace the Suck

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Cyberfly » 03 Dec 2008, 12:28

And although it really IS a fresh start, we have most of the old faces, a lot of new faces and you don't have to worry about anybody telling you to 'use the search function' :furious: and then banning you when you ask them "How?"

Well, at least not yet anyway...hehehehe :evil:
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Grantness » 03 Dec 2008, 16:09

there's a search function???

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Dec 2008, 16:10

Grantness wrote:there's a search function???
:banned:

:p

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by jmz5 » 03 Dec 2008, 16:12

:p
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Sniperjoe » 03 Dec 2008, 20:34

Cyberfly wrote:And although it really IS a fresh start, we have most of the old faces, a lot of new faces and you don't have to worry about anybody telling you to 'use the search function' :furious: and then banning you when you ask them "How?"

Well, at least not yet anyway...hehehehe :evil:
lol THANK GOD,

eh, the only thing i dont like about this forum is it makes me procrastinate doing my work. Its like im typing up a history report but some how my mouse always seems to go twords the link to the forum, kinda like right now lol :D

but otherwise you guys realy did a good job in setting this all up :thumb:

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 03 Dec 2008, 21:28

We can ban you for a few days so you can get some work done. :D

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Sniperjoe » 03 Dec 2008, 21:30

f3rr37 wrote:We can ban you for a few days so you can get some work done. :D
lolol its ok, i was able to pull my ass away from the forum long enough to finnish it, but when finals come around i may need to ask of that service lol :D

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by jmz5 » 04 Dec 2008, 05:36

:laugh:
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Cyberfly » 04 Dec 2008, 06:44

Hey Fuzzy? Remember when you asked us if you ever started acting like someone?
Ummmmm....
hehehehehe :lmao:
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 04 Dec 2008, 09:30

Cyberfly wrote:Hey Fuzzy? Remember when you asked us if you ever started acting like someone?
Ummmmm....
hehehehehe :lmao:
Shut the hell up :p

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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by jmz5 » 04 Dec 2008, 09:35

:laugh:
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by Cyberfly » 04 Dec 2008, 10:48

Okay, but I was just saying.... :?:
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Re: Great Loss of Value

Post by f3rr37 » 04 Dec 2008, 11:36

Cyberfly wrote:Okay, but I was just saying.... :?:
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